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Sequoiadendron giganteum (21 Replies)

Posted July 27, 2017 at 11:02 am

Fred it is the bane of every conehead’s existence that Iseli won’t sell retail. Nohow, never. The ACS Western Region went to visit them in June as part of our regional meeting and even with 100 of us there (who as a group would certainly have met whatever their minimum order is) they would not sell to us. They did give us little plants in 2 1’2″ pots, but that was it. I am guessing that they do not want to in any way compete with their clients. Retailers can get steamed if they find out that a wholesaler essentially cut them out of a sale. Let’s hope that their rep can help! The only other thing that I can think of is to ask someone who has access to ‘Hazel Smith’ like Doug Wilson in the Portland area to send you some cuttings, as I believe this can be grown from cuttings. Someone who knows more about probation of this species should chime in; I may well be wrong.

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Posted July 27, 2017 at 11:30 am

“Fred it is the bane of every conehead’s existence that Iseli won’t sell retail. Nohow, never.”

Sara,

Well, I guess if that’s their policy so be it. I can respect that having been in a similar position selling RV parts but what I think is so wrong – just plain bad business – is their laxness or inability to respond to my e-mails. Sometimes they do but they are inconsistent.

It seems to me that if they really want to sell stuff, they could hook me up with a dealer who can help me. There are NO nurseries in my area. So, surely they ought to be able to hook me up with one of their dealers who is able to ship by UPS. Surely they have a few of those. Or do they?

Regards,
Fred M. Cain

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Posted July 28, 2017 at 6:57 am

Another grower to seek out is Mike and Paulie at Crowfoot Nursery, in Sandy, Oregon. They carry a large assortment of various Sequoiadendron cultivars. They’re a much smaller mom-n-pop type of operation, fairly new, very friendly and eager. I would think they would probably sell directly to the public.
http://crowfootnursery.wixsite.com/trees

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Posted July 28, 2017 at 11:36 am

Dear Editor,

Thanks so much for this lead. I tried contacting this guy and he has been very helpful. Number one, he responded to my e-mail right away – big plus. It is far from certain whether he can get me any Hazel Smiths but he made it clear he’s going to try. If he fails, I might just buy some other stuff from him. Give him an “A” on customer response.

Regards,
Fred M. Cain

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Posted October 23, 2017 at 10:44 am

Still trying to find the Hazel Smith variety of Giant Sequoia. It has been a very frustrating and unfruitful search. Mike at Crowfoot was very helpful but he won’t have any ready to ship until at least another year!

What’s made this quest sooo frustrating is the fact that there are oodles of online nurseries that advertise it on their websites but then we I tried to contact them I came to find out that they don’t really have it after all. Yes indeed, most frustrating! Is Hazel Smith quite simply no longer available? Perhaps it didn’t really live up to what it had been advertised to do.

Regards,
Fred M. Cain

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Posted March 26, 2018 at 9:54 am

In addition to ‘Hazel Smith’, ‘Powder Blue’ and ‘Exceptionally Blue’ are attractive cultivars to try. At Holden Forests and Gardens (The Holden Arboretum and Cleveland Botanical Garden) we have been trying to grow Sequoiadendron giganteum outdoors in USDA Zone 5b (now 6a) since Spring 1937. Just last spring we planted ‘Powder Blue’ at the Cleveland Botanical Garden. ‘Exceptionally Blue’ is still in our nursery at the arboretum. Both were donated by Bill Barger of Wadsworth, Ohio. Unfortunately, both of Bill Barger’s stock plants died in the “polar vortex”, but had been doing well in USDA Zone 5b during “normal” winters. All our previous attempts have not been successful at The Holden Arboretum, but I am not about to give up now! My previous employer, the Arnold Arboretum has a Sequoiadendron that was donated for their 100th anniversary in 1972 that was about 60 feet tall at the time being grown from seed in 1948. In 1985 when I arrived, the top had died back during a dry summer and the tree is now listed as being in “fair” condition. Another cultivar that the Arnold Arboretum has recently planted is ‘Idaho Endurance’ which may prove to be hardy in the midwest. Apologies for not following this thread earlier.
Best regards,
Ethan Johnson

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Posted March 26, 2018 at 1:13 pm

I’m not able to comment on “Powder Blue” or “Exceptionally Blue” since I don’t know much about those but what I have been able to turn up so far as that both the “Hazel Smith” and “Idaho Endurance” strains ARE cold hardy.

I live in an area that’s right on the border line between zones 5a and 5b.I had two specimens that thrived for a number of years before the “polar vortex” here in 2010.That killed one that was six years old. The other was badly damaged but managed to live for four more years before succumbing to an even greater polar outbreak in 2014.Too bad, really, since it was actually starting to recover from the earlier outbreak. From all appearances, it looked to me like the cold killed the cambium layer inside the bark. The tree was “girdled” about ⅔ the way around on the wind-exposed side of the tree. After a couple of growing seasons, you could see where the bark was starting to close together again around the injury.

The first one that died was about six years old; the other one was about ten. They grew to heights of around 10 and 15 feet respectively. The fact that they ALMOST made it led me to believe that perhaps a “cold hardy” strain might be able to live here.

Hazel Smith has become EXTREMELY hard to find. If you “Google” for it you will find oodles and oodles of websites that appear to offer it. But then when you go to one of those sites to try and order it, you learn that they don’t have it anymore after all. It took a lot of digging but I finally found a source for Hazel Smith. I am going to plant four of them this spring (2018) if plans hold out. We will wait and see.

Regards
Fred M. Cain

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Posted May 7, 2018 at 4:11 pm

The retail nursery I buy from tells me the minimum for them from Iseli is $1500, down from $5000 years ago when Iseli was getting started. I suspect I would, with a lottery win, be able to meet their minimum easily all by myself.

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Posted May 7, 2018 at 9:31 pm

Ellen or we could all gang together!

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Posted May 7, 2018 at 9:31 pm

I’m only partially kidding. We might think about setting up a group.

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